Everyone Hates Menashe?

derek&menasheWell he is at it again, that Menashe!! What with taking folks writings, reading them and then drawing conclusions from them. What a nerve of Menashe to actually use his own G-d given brain and buck the trend of a whole trail of ‘yes men and yes women’, heaping praises on a book just recently published. Imagine, Jews having the chutzpah to own an i-pad and then using it to download books, read them and then offer an opinion online. Of course if you only write complementary things which maintain book sales at the very least, the other issue of whether you have read the book or not are of no significance, apparently. Otherwise if the comments come from Menashe and the like…well its just Loshon Hara or just downright devious according to the standards which do not apply to messianics! Then again the classic weasel out clauses of “we do not debate” or the famous “this is not a venue for theological discussion” seem to be a bit out of vogue at the moment on the emerging me$$ianic scene!! After all one has to maintain the façade of academic integrity, forums for discussion and the right to ask questions and/ or make points.  So long as they are they ‘right’ questions and points of course!

Rather, I still have a phenomena of everybody hating Menashe if Facebook is anything to go by! The phenomena being manifest in the numbers of me$$ianic leaders on the me$$ianic scene who have taken ‘wise caution’ between themselves and blocked that Menashe. The problem is that such Facebook blocking technology does not stop reviews of the stuff that plops out of the organs of messianic Judaism. Now come on you me$$ianic leaders do you really think that Jews are not savvy about computer technology too? How do you think it should go? You have right to ‘evangelize’ wherever you please especially here in Israel? Churn out your materials and not expect a response, lazily resort to personal insults, questions of integrity of Jews and then undermine your façade of academic integrity? And all this from rabbis who are not real rabbis!

Shame on you messianic leaders to suggest that Jews in general do not have a spiritual or personal connection with G-d by virtue of just ordinary Jews thinking for themselves! For good measure, messianic leaders [who call themselves Rabbis] also add that the ”real” learned Ultra Orthodox Jews’ which they have interacted with, in orthodox neighborhoods, are also devoid of a spiritual or personal connection with G-d also by virtue of…..well, just because the messianic leaders say so!


All that has been said above leads me to another prong in the efforts of the MJTI et al via ‘Rabbi Lehman’ and “Rabbi Stuart Daurman” for example to gain legitimacy and acceptance from any of the movements of Judaism. They are really desperate to gain legitimacy. Attempts for legitimacy now of course include the study of ‘Rabbinic’ Judaism. The inclusion of ‘Rabbinic’ Judaism would appear to be a new way of evangelism and may address the growing problem(?) of intermarriage in Messianic Judaism and how the Christian part of ‘the intermarriage equation’ deals with the Jewish in-laws. In a case where the Jewish in-laws are just academic at heart, the Christian part of ‘the intermarriage equation’ or even the other half of the equation may be able to use impressive academic terms such as “an anticipatory or proleptic position”, “a post-supersessionist position” or a “post cryptosupersessionist position”, to help them in their evangelistic efforts with their Jewish in-laws . Yep I think you are onto a winner with this one Stuart Daurmann!

However, where the Jewish in-laws are just too frum [too religious] to appreciate academic reasoning, it may be beneficial to ignore centuries of grimed in distrust or ridicule of the halachic rulings of the wider Jewish community. Instead, why not pander to the Jewish in-laws by convincing them, by your elevated observance, that the Torah is best interpreted in concert with the historical stream and transgenerational discussion of that people to whom it was given?

Alternatively, where the Jewish in-laws are neither academics or too frum but instead more business and/ or marketing orientated, it may be possible to use the Stuart Daurmann “Yes and” approach.


Me and Stuart Daurmann.

The YES-AND option whereby the Yeshua believer genuinely respects, hears, and values what his Jewish significant other reports about the value of his/her Jewish life, faith and experience. This involves saying a YES to all of that, AND going on to report how, in and through Yeshua, God is at work to deepen Jewish life experientially, while bringing the Jewish people and their tradition to their foreordained consummation. (This is no longer on Stuart’s blog as far as I can see)

Implicit in the above, apart from the obvious need to ‘win’ them Jewish in-laws, is the nauseating idea of an evangelical paradigm that the Yeshua believer is somehow superior! Winning them Jewish in-laws to Yeshua means they are not going to get thrown onto the eternal BBQ (as per Mark 16:16) because they have accepted the superior offer! Of course such black and white terms of the evangelical paradigm presented in the New Testament, Stuart Dauermann conveniently chooses to deny by saying that no such things are said in the apostolic writings which witness the efforts of the apostles to convert Jews to Yeshua. Moreover, to divert further, Stuart claims I have stolen and projected onto his paradigm. The bottom line, no matter how Messianic Jews try to ‘spin it’ in the present with various new tricks, Yeshua will never be Kosher just as no matter the number of times one scrubs a pig will ever make the pig Kosher either! The answer is YES Stuart and has always been without ands, buts and/ or degrees!

Can there be a greater stumbling block than [Christianity]? All the prophets spoke of Moshiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior, who would gather their dispersed ones and strengthen their [observance of] the mitzvos. In contrast [the founder of Christianity] caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the L-rd.” (Expurgated by medieval Christian censors from the Mishneh Torah of Rambam, Chapter 11)

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