Everyone Hates Menashe?

derek&menasheWell he is at it again, that Menashe!! What with taking folks writings, reading them and then drawing conclusions from them. What a nerve of Menashe to actually use his own G-d given brain and buck the trend of a whole trail of ‘yes men and yes women’, heaping praises on a book just recently published. Imagine, Jews having the chutzpah to own an i-pad and then using it to download books, read them and then offer an opinion online. Of course if you only write complementary things which maintain book sales at the very least, the other issue of whether you have read the book or not are of no significance, apparently. Otherwise if the comments come from Menashe and the like…well its just Loshon Hara or just downright devious according to the standards which do not apply to messianics! Then again the classic weasel out clauses of “we do not debate” or the famous “this is not a venue for theological discussion” seem to be a bit out of vogue at the moment on the emerging me$$ianic scene!! After all one has to maintain the façade of academic integrity, forums for discussion and the right to ask questions and/ or make points.  So long as they are they ‘right’ questions and points of course!

Rather, I still have a phenomena of everybody hating Menashe if Facebook is anything to go by! The phenomena being manifest in the numbers of me$$ianic leaders on the me$$ianic scene who have taken ‘wise caution’ between themselves and blocked that Menashe. The problem is that such Facebook blocking technology does not stop reviews of the stuff that plops out of the organs of messianic Judaism. Now come on you me$$ianic leaders do you really think that Jews are not savvy about computer technology too? How do you think it should go? You have right to ‘evangelize’ wherever you please especially here in Israel? Churn out your materials and not expect a response, lazily resort to personal insults, questions of integrity of Jews and then undermine your façade of academic integrity? And all this from rabbis who are not real rabbis!

Shame on you messianic leaders to suggest that Jews in general do not have a spiritual or personal connection with G-d by virtue of just ordinary Jews thinking for themselves! For good measure, messianic leaders [who call themselves Rabbis] also add that the ”real” learned Ultra Orthodox Jews’ which they have interacted with, in orthodox neighborhoods, are also devoid of a spiritual or personal connection with G-d also by virtue of…..well, just because the messianic leaders say so!


All that has been said above leads me to another prong in the efforts of the MJTI et al via ‘Rabbi Lehman’ and “Rabbi Stuart Daurman” for example to gain legitimacy and acceptance from any of the movements of Judaism. They are really desperate to gain legitimacy. Attempts for legitimacy now of course include the study of ‘Rabbinic’ Judaism. The inclusion of ‘Rabbinic’ Judaism would appear to be a new way of evangelism and may address the growing problem(?) of intermarriage in Messianic Judaism and how the Christian part of ‘the intermarriage equation’ deals with the Jewish in-laws. In a case where the Jewish in-laws are just academic at heart, the Christian part of ‘the intermarriage equation’ or even the other half of the equation may be able to use impressive academic terms such as “an anticipatory or proleptic position”, “a post-supersessionist position” or a “post cryptosupersessionist position”, to help them in their evangelistic efforts with their Jewish in-laws . Yep I think you are onto a winner with this one Stuart Daurmann!

However, where the Jewish in-laws are just too frum [too religious] to appreciate academic reasoning, it may be beneficial to ignore centuries of grimed in distrust or ridicule of the halachic rulings of the wider Jewish community. Instead, why not pander to the Jewish in-laws by convincing them, by your elevated observance, that the Torah is best interpreted in concert with the historical stream and transgenerational discussion of that people to whom it was given?

Alternatively, where the Jewish in-laws are neither academics or too frum but instead more business and/ or marketing orientated, it may be possible to use the Stuart Daurmann “Yes and” approach.


Me and Stuart Daurmann.

The YES-AND option whereby the Yeshua believer genuinely respects, hears, and values what his Jewish significant other reports about the value of his/her Jewish life, faith and experience. This involves saying a YES to all of that, AND going on to report how, in and through Yeshua, God is at work to deepen Jewish life experientially, while bringing the Jewish people and their tradition to their foreordained consummation. (This is no longer on Stuart’s blog as far as I can see)

Implicit in the above, apart from the obvious need to ‘win’ them Jewish in-laws, is the nauseating idea of an evangelical paradigm that the Yeshua believer is somehow superior! Winning them Jewish in-laws to Yeshua means they are not going to get thrown onto the eternal BBQ (as per Mark 16:16) because they have accepted the superior offer! Of course such black and white terms of the evangelical paradigm presented in the New Testament, Stuart Dauermann conveniently chooses to deny by saying that no such things are said in the apostolic writings which witness the efforts of the apostles to convert Jews to Yeshua. Moreover, to divert further, Stuart claims I have stolen and projected onto his paradigm. The bottom line, no matter how Messianic Jews try to ‘spin it’ in the present with various new tricks, Yeshua will never be Kosher just as no matter the number of times one scrubs a pig will ever make the pig Kosher either! The answer is YES Stuart and has always been without ands, buts and/ or degrees!

Can there be a greater stumbling block than [Christianity]? All the prophets spoke of Moshiach as the redeemer of Israel and their savior, who would gather their dispersed ones and strengthen their [observance of] the mitzvos. In contrast [the founder of Christianity] caused the Jews to be slain by the sword, their remnants to be scattered and humiliated, the Torah to be altered, and the majority of the world to err and serve a god other than the L-rd.” (Expurgated by medieval Christian censors from the Mishneh Torah of Rambam, Chapter 11)


video clip 1Interfaithfulness” is a blog/ website by messianic musician, Jews for Jesus ‘rabbi’ Dr Stuart Dauermann. On the blog/ website is apparently, a growing storehouse of information and advice for those who wish to make marriage between Jews and Christians ‘doable’. Now of course, trust me to point out the obvious, is this not a bit like building a house on a hillside in California? Building a house on a hillside in California I got from the eye opening video on the subject so I cannot take credit for it! Not that I would want to by the way! To a certain extent even Stuart does not take credit for it either, since the clincher of the video at the end is with the parable of Jesus espousing the differences between building a house on a rock or a house on sand.

Just so that there is no doubt that one may make the mistake of misunderstanding the words of Jesus to mean that intermarriage is like building on sand or in California–and why wouldn’t you? We see a serendipitous use of the ‘evangelical paradigm’ so that we do not misunderstand. Briefly, the ‘evangelical paradigm’ is: believe in Jesus or it is the eternal BBQ for you sunny Jim! Paradoxically however, the evangelical paradigm is not used to convert Jews to Jesus because it frightens them away and is a major barrier in the conversion of Jews to Jesus! The evangelical paradigm is what permits a solid foundation for the impossible, the making of marriage between Jews and Christians ‘doable’! Providing that at least the ‘Jewish’ spouse side of the intermarriage equation is open to and accepts the evangelical paradigm, then you are on the rock as far as the intermarriage problem is concerned! Sorted!? The Jewish in-laws in the intermarriage side of the equation? Well that’s another story for another time we suppose or perhaps the further use of another parable of Jesus is in the offing to help smooth things out? Who knows?

However, as we progress on the path of interfaithfulness, the ‘Jewish’ side of the path may further be hardened because lets face it, those Jews have a history of not living up to their obligations:

keepWhat point is the Holy One Blessed be He making here (Jer 35)?  Just this: that the Jewish people have failed to show to Him the honor and respect due him. While the Rechabites show honor to their father Jonadab by obeying his rulings, the people of Israel dishonor God by not obeying his Torah….. So the question we need to ask and answer is this one. In view of all of the above, what does it mean to honor the LORD of Hosts, our Father, Master, and King properly?  And can we rationally excise obedience to his commands from that equation?……. Jews obeying Torah, and Messianic Jews obeying Torah, may be about a number of things. But it is fundamentally about this: showing proper honor to the One who created all that is, and who brought us out of Egypt that we might serve him……   Although we may rightly hold that with the coming of Messiah, our relationship with Torah has gone through a shift, and that we will differ in some areas with many other Jews in matters of interpretation, following the teaching of Yeshua and his sh’lichim [apostles], nothing in the Newer Testament entitles us to suggest that the priority of honoring God by obeying Torah has been withdrawn. (The Foundational Reason Jews, Including Messianic Jews, Should Obey Torah)

“nothing in the Newer Testament entitles us to suggest that the priority of honoring God by obeying Torah has been withdrawn”. Now is this not an interesting phrase, especially in view of the attempts above to make intermarriage between Jews and Christians “doable”?

Of course Stuart claims that the Oral Torah and the religious legacy of ‘our people’ are honorable, beautiful and holy!

Well not really, is it Stuart? “On Keeping Your Mouth Shut and Saving a Life” seems to have some rather hard dynamics to understand when actually discussing the religious legacy of ‘our people’! Not even when it comes to things which are not even Oral Law but instead just plain biblical (see how Nehemiah sorts out the intermarriage problem in Neh 13:23-28 and Ezra 9:1-2 which also validates Oral Torah too BTW, Jewish status is established through the stu interfaithmother and not the father or via a halachic conversion). Hiding in the smokescreen of “matters of interpretation” will not avail you much in your agenda ‘rabbi’ Jews for Jesus Dauermann because even the ‘older’ Jewish scriptures prove you to be wrong. Intermarriage is not an example of obeying Torah it is in actual fact a violation of it.