Messianic Update

Kosher Pig Update

Well some things have to be seen to be believed. How about this quotation used for the book “The return of the kosher pig”:

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For the hard of seeing the quote on the book says:

In the Messianic Era, when the true Divine nature of every creature will be openly revealed, the pig will stand vindicated as a kosher animal. The Lubavitcher Rebbe

The above is a partial quote on the book cover linked with fake ‘rabbi’ Shapira’s premise that Pig = Messiah= Divine Messiah = Yeshua= Jesus

Here is the quote in full taken from Chabad of Central New Jersey:

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again for the hard of seeing:

In the Messianic Era, when the true Divine nature of every creature will be openly revealed, the pig will stand vindicated as a kosher animal. Because with all its posing and prancing, the pig does one thing for us. It forces us to confront our own insidious evil nature, combat it, and ultimately rise above it.

So the choice is ours. We can mask our deficiencies by verbally maligning the innocent pig, or we can recognize the pig for what it is: a mirror to our own animal selves. We must concentrate on perfecting and purifying our own animal souls, and G-d will reciprocate by “koshering” the pig. – The Rebbe

Based on Likkutei Sichos, Shabbos Parshat Shemini, vol. 17, pp. 92-99; Parshas Toldos, vol. 35 pp. 117-118 (reprinted from The Week in Review)

The above partial quote on the book cover shows the deceptive nature of such quoting and quotations. The Lubavicher Rebbe is making the connection between the hypocrisy of the pig,  the mirror to our own animal selves and how we may rectify it. Nowhere is therea  connection between any Messiah and a pig in any writings of the Lubavicher Rebbe and the writings of the Sages.

Porky Pies

by Menashe Dovid

pre-emptiveThere was a fellow who said that if the lie is big enough, people will refuse to deny it. Of course, only the recipient of the lies is befuddled. The liars know what is true. Liars don’t struggle with 2⁹⁹+2⁹⁹=5⁹⁹. The liars know that the equation is pointless and the answer is irrelevant. Telling a lie is easy, trying to figure the lie out is difficult. The confusion that lies create is a one-way street. The masters of lies are thus the only people in their own opinion who know the truth. To all intents and purposes, the masters of lies are the way, the truth and……. Oops, does that sound familiar? Of course it does!

Well finally the book “The Return of the Kosher Pig” is out for sale on Amazon. In an attempt to circumvent any problems with the sale of the book the parameters for ‘apparent’ discussion of the book have already been set: you have to buy the book and read it! No doubt this is a subtle way of discounting the already published premise for the book:

“I am sure that some of you who read the title of the book (Return of the Kosher Pig) raised an eyebrow or two. Who is the Kosher Pig and why will he return? I can assure you today that the title The Return of the Kosher Pig does not involve any type of marketing gimmick of any sort to sell more copies! Before getting upset about the title of the book, I would like to briefly explain the important term “Kosher Pig” as it is an important premise for the rest of the book. The pig, or Cahzir (חזיר) in Hebrew, represents the symbol of uncleanness to the Jew” Yeshua of Nazareth is the only one who claimed to be divine in nature with the full authority to even forgive sins. Modern Judaism that is built on 13 articles of faith clearly rejects the idea that G-D can take a form of a man. Yeshua because of his claims is considered unclean to the Jewish people. Amazing, some of the Rabbis declared that the pig will return during the days of Messiah and will become Kosher as he reveals his true nature. The Return of the Kosher Pig attempts to bring back the un-kosher Yeshua to the Jewish people by presenting the case for the divine Messiah.” http://kosherpig.org/who_is_kosher_pig/

The premise for the book is quite simple to work out:

Pig = The Divine Messiah = Yeshua

A problem is as one viewer Brain Lasater pointed out:

Shapira is a Christian. Let’s make that clear right away. He is NOT a Rabbi. He is a pastor who got his certificate from a christian seminary that specializes in “Jewish” wannabe propaganda.

Shapira has many youtube videos discussing this book. If you watch them, you will find out all you need to know about this book. The book is based on taking the words of Rabbi’s over the last 2000 years and distorting their message beyond recognition. For example, the title of the book, the Return of the Kosher Pig. The author makes the claims that the Rabbis said in the end of days, the pig which is not kosher will return kosher. The author says that is a picture of Jesus of Nazareth. Not a kosher messiah to the Jewish people but will return the 2nd time as kosher.

This is:

A) Not what the Jewish sages meant by kosher pig at all. This is an invention of Shapira’s.

B) If the Jewish sages would have said such a thing, why did they NEVER accept the man from Nazareth as messiah? Because he was not even close to being the Jewish messiah and is in fact a roman hybrid mixture of god-man mythology and Judaism.

From my own observations I may also add that when Messianics quote rabbinical, kabbalistic or midrashic sayings to justify their beliefs in aKPIG deified Yeshua: 99.9% of their quotes are from Rabbis who post-dated Yeshua himself. Another thing to note is that 100% of these Rabbis themselves said what they said and rejected the possibility that Yeshua was the Messiah let alone a divine Messiah. In other words, what the Rabbis said and meant by their words was COMPLETELY different to how messianics quote their words and then reinterpret them within their own Christian traditions and their latest spins doing the rounds of the various messianic circuits! It never ceases to amaze me the dissonance of the obvious question or observation: If the messianics theories about what the Rabbis said and meant by their words are correct then the Rabbis would be believers in the divine Yeshua would they not?

Entertaining the Idea of a Kosher Pig

It is interesting that the pig is the only animal that has these unique traits – the pig with its split hooves is outwardly acceptable, but the inner analysis of the digestive system reveals the deficiency of not being able to chew the cud. The pig in Jewish thought therefore became synonymous with hypocrisy. The image of the swine presenting its split hooves as evidence of its purity was a powerful image. Various personalities in the Bible who were deemed by the rabbis as hypocritical were thus described:

And Cain went out… Whence did he go out? Rabbi Aibu said: “It means that he threw the words behind him and went out, like one who would deceive the Almighty.” Rabbi Berekiah said in Rabbi Eleazar’s name: “He went forth like one who shows the cloven hoof, like one who deceives his Creator.” (Midrash Rabbah Genesis 22:13)

However, the major personality who was associated with the pig was Esau in particular, and, eventually, the Romans (his descendants) in general.

Rabbi Isaac said: “[God declared]: ‘You have given a name to your swine [Esau]; then I too will name My firstborn, as it says, Thus says the Lord: Israel is My son, My firstborn – (Midrash Rabbah – Genesis 63:8)

Esav, Yaakov’s twin, claimed to follow the same tradition as Yaakov. When Yaakov left to Padan Aram to marry a girl from the family , Esav followed suit and also married a girl “from the family,” but did not divorce his non-Jewish wives. This act of marrying a “girl from the family” was solely in order appear as though he was following in the footstep of Jewish tradition.

judeo-christianThe so called “Judeo-Christian” tradition and now messianic judaism invented by Christians is merely a facade. Despite the fact that the two brothers were twins, and had a lot in common biologically, they had very little in common in terms of lifestyle. There is an often-quoted medrash to support the facade which states, “Why is the pig called a ‘chazir’? Because some day in the future God will give it back (“lehachziro”) to the Jewish people.” The Rishonim ask how this can be. The Rambam postulates, as one of the thirteen principles of our faith, that the laws of the Torah will never change. Can it be that some day it will be permissible for us to eat Pork? Some of the Rishonim explained that “the return of the pig does not refer to eating pork, but rather to the restoration of the Jewish government in place of the Christian one.” The “pig” is the faker who makes believe that he is kosher by showing his split hooves, just as Christians and messianics claim that theirs is a twin-religion with ours, and just as Esav was a twin brother of Yaakov.

What has the above got to do with the kosher pig being Jesus/ Yeshua and Jews having to accept Jesus as a divine messiah? The answer is that there is no connection between a messiah let alone a divine messiah and the return of the pig or that the pig is the messiah. In fact if the midrashim are anything to go by, Esav is the pig which represents in a historical time line: pagan Rome, Christian Rome and present day worldwide Christianity at large which includes messianic Judaism, which in the end undergo a transformation which renders them Kosher by their rejection of Yeshua. The transformation expressed most appropriately by Jeremiah 16:

19 O LORD, my strength, and my stronghold, and my refuge, in the day of affliction, unto Thee shall the nations come from the ends of the earth, and shall say: ‘Our fathers have inherited nought but lies, vanity and things wherein there is no profit.’ 20 Shall a man make unto himself gods, and they are no gods? 21 Therefore, behold, I will cause them to know, this once will I cause them to know My hand and My might; and they shall know that My name is the LORD.

Like in mathematics if the premise wrong then the working out will be wrong too, no matter how good or how long the working out seems to be!!

The Big Whopper

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One way of doing it

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Sounds Familiar?

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Apostate Jews

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Enough to make any self respecting Jew vomit! Scrounging funds and living it up in style as cuckoos in the nest of Israel.

Flagging Sales

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Yes the sales are flagging and the cash cow is drying up! Yet another sales attempt! This pig ain’t kosher!

More deception

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Evangelization under the guise of ‘Love’

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Inflated unsubstantiated ideas

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So called ‘Rabbi’ Shapira is not a real rabbi and you can read the vehement opposition here. In the messianic mindset slander = reasoned argument by those who do not agree with them!

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Jack Boots

Is this Offensive and Proselytizing too?

Attack the Jew for thinking:

Relentless

Revealing the Messianic Agenda

With a T Shirt and at the Kotel too!

A question would arise if Jews where to go about on similar missions in churches etc.. no doubt. How would it go down if there was a suggestion, via a T shirt, that claims Jesus and Krishna are the same thing and just as idolatrous as each other? But of course if Jews express their concerns and object to having their holy places polluted, well that is just Jews being insensitive and disrespectful to the folks trying to convert them and after all what can you expect from them when they are spiritually blind too?!

Ad Hominem

Christians and Messianics worship a tomb

What I find ridiculous with Ahavat’s post, and readers responses, is that Ahavat is trying to prove this point: that worshiping Ahavat’s believed divine Messiah/ pig is kosher (which includes a tomb in Jerusalem BTW), all the while showing a video of Jews supposedly doing something similar which Ahavat and his followers then mock. But it is OK if they also go to see the tomb, to pray there and everything, and if you ask them they will tell they do not worship the tomb.

What do Jews need to be saved from?

An evangelical paradigm of ‘spiritual Israel’, is that salvation is now much narrower because there is no salvation except for those who accept Jesus as their personal savior. According to the paradigm, Jesus’ coming caused myriads of formerly saved Jews and gentile God-fearers to slip into perdition or least into an eternal jeopardy because the basis of salvation had changed and narrowed with Jesus’ incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, or ascension. The year before Jesus died and rose, faithful Jews and God-fearers needed only seek to live faithful to God, trusting in His faithfulness to Israel and in the provisions he had made through the Temple sacrifices. Under such an arrangement, certainly there must have been tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, or even millions of Jews whose status with God was assured, in this life and the next. But according to the New Testament, with the coming of Jesus, all that changed! Now, according to the prevailing paradigm, all of these Jews AND non-Jews were fundamentally lost, unless and until they accepted Jesus as their personal Savior. The evangelical paradigm still requires Jews AND non-Jews to accept Jesus as their personal Savior or they are doomed. The evangelical paradigm means that human substitutionary atonement (before atonement using just animals is one part of the religion of Israel), now becomes a sole basis for a whole new religion/ faith for the new “Spiritual Israel”.

Questions for the inquiring mind center around what the Jewish Scriptures actually say. Do the Jewish Scriptures exclude the worship and participation of non-Jews in the Temple for example? If human substitutionary atonement is so vital and important, where is this spelled out in the Torah? Is the New Testament treatment and use of the Jewish Scriptures honest? Is there evidence in the Jewish Scriptures to show that such a radical change in covenant and/ or citizenship is to take place as the New Testament claims? Have the Jewish people been replaced as the people of G-d?

The ‘new’ New Covenant?

The writers of the New Testament (see Hebrews 10) would have us believe that the New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 was fulfilled by Jesus’ incarnation, crucifixion, resurrection, or ascension 2000 years ago. The New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 is however, in the future, in a messianic age. During the times of Jesus, there was no House of Israel in existence because Assyria had exiled the Kingdom of Israel more than 700 years earlier (approx. 732 B.C.E.). Moreover, in the first century CE the Jewish people were spread throughout the Roman Empire and beyond. Thus, even the “House of Judah” was not all in the Promised Land during the times of Jesus. The giving of the New Covenant to the “House of Israel and the House of Judah” (v30) is obviously referring to a future event that clearly indicates that Jeremiah is speaking to a restored and fully ingathered people.

7 Behold, I will bring them from the north country, and gather them from the uttermost parts of the earth, and with them the blind and the lame, the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together; a great company shall they return hither.

Objections that Jeremiah 31 does not point to a yet future messianic age includes an argument that Jer 31:7 above, was fulfilled by the return of the House of Judah from the Babylonian exile. The argument however, goes against a theme often repeated throughout Jeremiah. The theme describes a future return far superior to the exodus from Egypt (see Jer 16:14; 23:7, 8; 31:32). The inferior nature of the return of the House of Judah from the Babylonian exile with that of the exodus from Egypt being expressed by Nehemiah 9:36 below:

36. Behold, today we are slaves, and the land that You gave our forefathers to eat its fruit and its goodness-behold we are slaves upon it. (Nehemiah 9:36)

Sin, Torah and Human Sacrifice

Romans 8:3(KJV) – For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: [See also 1 Tm 3:1-6; 1 Jo 4:2.]

18 For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive by the Spirit, 1 Peter 3:18 (New International Version)

Characterizing the death of Jesus on the cross as any kind of sacrifice would render it to be a human sacrifice and a clear violation of Torah. Heathen Semitic worship was cruel, often requiring human victims. In absolute contrast, the Torah forbids human sacrifice:

Leviticus 18:21 – And you shall not give any of your offspring to pass through the fire for Molech, and shall not profane the name of your G-d; I am the L-rd. [See also Deut 18:10, Jer 7:31, Ezek 23:37-39.]

31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God; for every abomination to the LORD, which He hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their gods. Deut 12

Deuteronomy 24:16 – Fathers shall not be put to death because of children, nor shall children be put to death for fathers; each person shall be put to death for his own sin. [See also Exod 32:31-33; Num 35:33.]

2 Kings 14:6 – And the sons of the assassins he did not execute, as it is written in the book of the Torah of Moses, which the L-rd commanded saying: “Fathers shall not be put to death for sons, nor shall sons be put to death for fathers, but each man shall be put to death for his own sin.” [See also Jer 31:29{30 in Christian Bibles}; Ezek 18:4, 20; Ps 49:7-8.]

Human vicarious atonement is strictly prohibited. Each person is accountable for his or her own sins:

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die; the son shall not bear the iniquity of the father with him, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son with him; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21 But if the wicked turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 None of his transgressions that he hath committed shall be remembered against him; for his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD; and not rather that he should return from his ways, and live? 24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? None of his righteous deeds that he hath done shall be remembered; for his trespass that he trespassed, and for his sin that he hath sinned, for them shall he die. Ezek 18:20-24.

Israeli Citizenship

The word Jew is indeed derived from the tribe of Judah which is one of the 12 tribes of the nation of Israel. A read of Nehemiah/ Ezra shows that the term “Jew” later became synonymous with remnant of both the house of Israel (10 tribes) and the house of Judah (which later included Benjamin and Levi). G-d told Abraham that he would make Abraham a great nation not a great religion. The Jews then and now are indeed the remnant of the nation of Israel and are therefore chosen by virtue of Jews being a nation. In the New Testament, Paul knew that Judaism is a nation and he expresses the difficulty of obtaining citizenship in Eph 2. Along with Eph 2, Paul attempts to modify the New Covenant of Jer 31 (which is future because the Houses of Israel / Judah have yet to be gathered) to fit into a new criteria for Israeli citizenship by a new faith in Jesus, by virtue of Jesus being a god/ human sacrifice (See Rom 7 speaking to Jews and Gal 4). Nationhood is something altogether different from a religion and the terms of nationhood are spelled out at Sinai by virtue of Torah laws which have not changed / abrogated as Paul claims. The same Torah laws delivered at Sinai are observed by Jews to this very day. Nowhere will you find such a thing as believing in the god/ human sacrifice as the new terms of citizenship for Israel (for both Jew and Gentile). Gentiles and Jews are both deceived if they think they are Citizens of Israel by being believers of Jesus.

Rabbi Who?

Being brought up in an Orthodox home/ community does not necessarily mean that one is practicing and/or is knowledgeably Orthodox or Jewish according to Orthodox halacha, since the mother of a child may not be Jewish too. Neither is it an indicator of the qualitative value of any learning with respect Orthodox custom and practice.

Even if it is possible to prove that one is Jewish according to Orthodox halacha with some tentative connection to Orthodoxy. To then call oneself or imply that one is an ‘Orthodox Rabbi’ without appropriate study in a recognized Orthodox yeshiva and without communal recognition as a Rabbi in an Orthodox community is deceptive indeed. Even more deceptive, if the claim for Rabbi status/ ordination is by virtue of a Christian / Messianic organization and semantically bolting the term ‘Orthodox’ (as in being brought up orthodox) onto it directly or by inference to create the impression that one may be an ‘Orthodox Rabbi’, may be just like a pig which shows its cloven hooves and says its kosher!!

The pig not being able to chew the cud is the worst type of hypocrisy, however. The pig needs to change from the inside. In other words, the pig needs to repent of the belief of an idolatrous divine messiah so that he/ she may be accepted as kosher by the Jewish people. May it be soon in our days that we see the repentance of such Rabbis and their followers.

Cash Cow

G-d has a TV channel (via the web too!) in which it’s not quite clear if it’s G-d doing the learning (cf Heb 5:8) or the listener may be getting the learning from G-d. The learning may however, be the latest cash cow which may be in the form of a promotion of a kosher pig! Claiming that the content of the TV channel is definitively from G-d may be however, somewhat of a tall order. Unless of course, folks do not like facts or opinions getting in the way of what they are told are the right facts or opinions. Even more so if the right facts or opinions from another source affects book sales and the cash cow! But what may the cash cow to do in the face of diminishing sales? Perhaps accuse the provider of the other source of facts or opinions to use stalker tactics and intimidation as a good defense of book sales and the cash cow? Perhaps even accuse them of being Islamic? Time, sales  and/ or lack of sales may well show! There is however, a difference between the messianic exchange of idea$ and my exchange of ideas on my blog.

Rosh Hoshana 2012

If the latest video to plop out of the organs of “messiah’s mandate” is to be believed then most Israelis are ignorant with respect Rosh Hoshana. The ignorance of Israelis is of course rectified by knowing that Jesus/ Yeshua, provides all the answers.

A question to you messiah’s mandate: What do you blow on Rosh Hoshana? If your response is “it’s a shofar or a trumpet, it says so in Numbers 29:1 and in Leviticus 23:24″. I point out to you that your translations add trumpet/ shofar but the Hebrew of these verses do not have a Hebrew word for trumpet or shofar. On what basis is one to blow? The sages, the same ones’ whose words are recorded in the Talmud inform us that the day of blowing (יוֹם תְּרוּעָה) is a day of blowing the shofar! The written Torah does not say what to blow and you “messiah’s mandate”, in your ignorance follow the sages! Your premise of ignorance of the Jewish people WRT Rosh Hoshana is indicative of Jews’ lack of knowledge because they do not know Jesus/ Yeshu to give ‘the real meaning’ are false and misleading. Ignorance of things Jewish by Jewish people are not predicated on not knowing Jesus, “messiah’s mandate”! Such lame and cheap line of reasoning! ‘A day of blowing’, blowing what? No wonder those secular Israelis had no idea what you were on about in the video! Perhaps to blow their noses may be?

Thursday, August 30, 2012

Welcome to Messianic Update, a section of the blog to keep folks up to date with the latest developments in the Messianic/ Missionary world to convert Jews to Christianity under a different name: Messianic Judaism.

The graphic above shows representative samples of the various Messianic/ Missionary types the world over. There are of course many others, so if you are a bit upset about not being included just let me know, OK? Somehow I do not think this is going to happen by the way!

Messianic Jewish Theological Institute (MJTI) Jerusalem: 2 Nahum Sokolov St/ Keren Hayesod St. Jerusalem

So what is happening? Messianic Update can reveal a mystery which has been round for some time. The mystery concerns a general lack of information on various web sites of messianic organizations advertising their missionary work here in Israel. The general lack of information is typically balanced of course by a one way process which is a common feature of all missionary websites, namely a donations page.  The donations page of course allows you to provide a huge chunk of money and personal information about yourself for what appears to be just a casual guarantee that the missionaries are doing a good job in Israel by infiltrating Jewish communities and converting Jews. The general lack of information typically includes no relevant information or location of so called study centers or headquarters for the missionaries’ activities in Israel. A question then obviously arises that if a person wishes to visit one of these study centers or headquarters for the missionary activity in Israel, how one is supposed to know where they are? Or most importantly why would the missionaries NOT want just anybody to know?

The missionaries behind missionary work in Israel have developed unique strategies to avoid accountability on all sides of the divide between supporters and opposers of missionary activity. A favorite strategy is to claim that anti-missionary groups such as Yad L’Achim are only too keen to close down missionary activity by various ‘illegal means’ such as protesting, holding rallies and warning people of the spiritual dangers of missionaries in the local press. Here is a common thesis and a lie:

“As you may know, ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel do not, as a rule, seek employment. They expect the State (our taxes) to pay for their living expenses while they spend their days in Rabbinical studies. Messianic Jews have found that they seem to have an excess of leisure time spent in persecuting Israeli followers of Yeshua across the country.” Shira Sorko-Ram

The common thesis and the lie (repeated by the secular Israeli press BTW) is easily refuted, since the breadwinner of ultra-Orthodox Jewish families in Israel may be the Mother of family who works, both the Father and the Mother who work part time, some families who have inherited money, some who have extended family financial support, many who engage in business activities which support the family, some people who are retired and some Fathers who work. Given that the welfare benefits in Israel (unlike Europe for example) may be actually insufficient to support a family, those on benefits do survive which is a testimony to the strong community support of Torah communities here in Israel.

One may also ask what is so ignoble about undertaking Rabbinical studies? How hypocritical of missionaries who allow themselves their own abundance of leisure time to study and infiltrate Jewish communities to convert Jews whilst simultaneously taking money from supporters of their ministry. Who is to say that that missionaries in Israel, who may have gained Israeli Citizenship by deception too, are not claiming welfare benefits too?

Moreover, money fleeced from the flocks with a love for Israel in Europe and the USA allows missionaries to ‘live it up’ in Israel whilst jetting off to other countries to promote their ministries on the basis that they represent ‘real’ Judaism/ real Israel’, as their websites and Face book accounts show. Meanwhile the children of the missionaries (some of whom are not halachicly Jewish) take full advantage of free education in Israel, their spouses have the opportunity to take up work and/ or join in community projects and yet more missionising avenues are created!

The question is how the missionaries can have the nerve to leach off the success of the people of the Jewish State? The Jewish state is the culmination of the struggle of the Jewish people across millennia that have refused assimilation and other religions, including Christianity before Christianity ever evolved to produce a messianic Judaism about 150 years ago.

The answer as to why missionaries can have the nerve to leach off the success of the people of the Jewish State is that for missionaries the ends justify the means. They give themselves the passport to lie for the sake of converting Jews by misrepresenting, abusing Judaism and re-packaging it as the real deal to secularized Jews in Israel. Yet they plead innocence, plead persecution even, say they have never been caught for doing missionary work and say it is really only a matter of arguing to Jews; ‘Who is the real Messiah?”. Like as if the Jews are to somehow develop collective amnesia and forget the numerous disputations, blood libels, inquisitions and holocausts they can answer ‘Who is the real Messiah?” correctly?!

The question from the Jewish perspective is based on the thousands of years of persecution at the hands of Christians: How many times Mr. Christian Missionary do we have to tell you that we believe in One G-d who is absolutely one unlike you who believe in a compound or plurality unity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Do you think we Jews are so dumb to think that your statement that “we don’t teach replacement theology” jives with what is said plainly in your own New Testament? At least the Roman Catholic Church is more honest in this respect! No please be Christians in your own Christian countries and leave the Jewish state for the Jews, this is all we ask.

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11 thoughts on “Messianic Update

  1. You know, I think your label of ‘missionaries’ and the idea that ANYONE attracted to Jews, and especially those within the Land of Israel, are simply using some jewish-look-alike ‘strategy’ to convert you and all Jews to some sort of ‘churchianity’ is missing the mark. Or, at least it is in my case. Yes, Menashe, I do appreciate a couple of things. One of which is the FACT that we can even have a rational discussion on these topics. I don’t expect you to have a sweet, embracing regard for those you have ‘black-barred’ in your image and their messages. I don’t expect you to jump into the ‘christian’ boat any time soon. The thing [getting specific now] that I believe that you ARE missing the mark on is this: there ARE in this world, gentile individuals, that love Israel and their understanding of the G-D of Israel due to HIS WORKING in their lives. I am speaking for myself. No amount of debate or history or theological back-and-forth will erase [at least from where I sit] my love for the nation of Israel; for Jerusalem; the Temple; the Mishkan; the Feasts; the long weary tale of HaShem bringing YOU and the others BACK. I did not go pursuing this relationship, nor did I work myself into some ‘lather’ of loving [sorry] Our Shared Heritage. The Elohim of Avraham, Ishak and Yacov CALLED ME by name in an event you know nothing about … more than 3 decades ago. An event that you can no more diminish with your well-crafted and spirited objections. I make no apology for what YHWH has done in this non-religiously raised American Gentile. I am one of those mentioned by the prophet Zechariah in the 8th chapter where he records this FOR YOU and ALL JEWS:

    “This is what YHWH Almighty says: “In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, ‘Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'”

    That my friend accounts for some of those who you find in your midst. Not all, but, some. This prophecy DOES account for me. I am not in this conversation because of some planned, man-based, strategy for evangelism. Laughing. So, just remember that some you critique are DRAWN by the ANCIENT of DAYS and like it or not … our love and devotion to HaShem and your People is Eternal.

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  2. I just have to chime in here it is the descendants of Religious Jews whom are today labelled Haredi who came to Eretz Yisrael in the 1700’s and onwards who had the vision to strengthen the Jewish communities in the Holy Land! It was the secular who came later with their own agenda’s!

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  3. Why didn’t you post our entire conversation? I wrote “if you can’t beat them in the marketplace of ideas, you try to intimidate.” You conveniently left that out.

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